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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/buttars-and-id/#comment-3286</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly it looks like Huntsman doesn&#039;t think the bill will reach him and &lt;a href=&quot;http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179628,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gave a vague threat&lt;/a&gt; that might imply a veto.

The origins-of-life bill sponsored by Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, has already passed the Senate. But it could run into trouble in the House, where Majority Whip Steve Urquhart, R-St. George, has said he can&#039;t support the bill.
      Huntsman suggested the bill may never reach his desk and said if it does, then &quot;we&#039;ll do what we think is right&quot; based on his previous opposition to mixing religious beliefs and science in the classroom.
      &quot;What I have seen most recently is not an origins-of-life bill. It&#039;s been watered down to a relatively benign statement, and where it goes from here is anybody&#039;s guess,&quot; the governor said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly it looks like Huntsman doesn&#8217;t think the bill will reach him and <a href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179628,00.html" rel="nofollow">gave a vague threat</a> that might imply a veto.</p>
<p>The origins-of-life bill sponsored by Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, has already passed the Senate. But it could run into trouble in the House, where Majority Whip Steve Urquhart, R-St. George, has said he can&#8217;t support the bill.<br />
      Huntsman suggested the bill may never reach his desk and said if it does, then &#8220;we&#8217;ll do what we think is right&#8221; based on his previous opposition to mixing religious beliefs and science in the classroom.<br />
      &#8220;What I have seen most recently is not an origins-of-life bill. It&#8217;s been watered down to a relatively benign statement, and where it goes from here is anybody&#8217;s guess,&#8221; the governor said.</p>
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		<title>By: Watt Mahoun</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/buttars-and-id/#comment-3206</link>
		<dc:creator>Watt Mahoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The subject of this thread has become a minor obsession for me recently. I you don&#039;t mind, and since I&#039;m not part of the Bloggernacle, I&#039;d like to point you to my most recent post:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mormanarchy.net/2006/01/24/wisdom-of-an-harlot/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wisdom of an Harlot&lt;/a&gt;

Which was inspired by the Vatican&#039;s recent statements on Intelligent Design. I&#039;d appreciate feedback comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The subject of this thread has become a minor obsession for me recently. I you don&#8217;t mind, and since I&#8217;m not part of the Bloggernacle, I&#8217;d like to point you to my most recent post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mormanarchy.net/2006/01/24/wisdom-of-an-harlot/" rel="nofollow">Wisdom of an Harlot</a></p>
<p>Which was inspired by the Vatican&#8217;s recent statements on Intelligent Design. I&#8217;d appreciate feedback comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/buttars-and-id/#comment-3181</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, fortunately the Buttars bill doesn&#039;t affect classes at Harvard.  (&lt;i&gt;grin&lt;/i&gt;)  

But I do agree in principle.  I believe in Utah that in High School physics, chemistry and biology are separated out.  There are some cross-overs (i.e. thermodynamics in chemistry and physics)  However unless I&#039;m mistaken in Junior High science is more vague and broader and thus really could cover both evolution and cosmology.  (I don&#039;t know)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, fortunately the Buttars bill doesn&#8217;t affect classes at Harvard.  (<i>grin</i>)  </p>
<p>But I do agree in principle.  I believe in Utah that in High School physics, chemistry and biology are separated out.  There are some cross-overs (i.e. thermodynamics in chemistry and physics)  However unless I&#8217;m mistaken in Junior High science is more vague and broader and thus really could cover both evolution and cosmology.  (I don&#8217;t know)</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/buttars-and-id/#comment-3172</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I&#039;ll be generous and assume that what you present is in fact what Buttars was talking about and keep my mouth shut on the idea that he is simply lumping all the things he doesn&#039;t like about science together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be generous and assume that what you present is in fact what Buttars was talking about and keep my mouth shut on the idea that he is simply lumping all the things he doesn&#8217;t like about science together.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/buttars-and-id/#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a random John asks:  &quot;&lt;em&gt;What class covers &#039;evolution from the Big Bang&#039;?&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/eric/ericteach.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt;, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a random John asks:  &#8220;<em>What class covers &#8216;evolution from the Big Bang&#8217;?</em>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/eric/ericteach.html" rel="nofollow">This one</a>, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
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		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a 12/23/05 Deseret News article:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It doesn&#039;t hinder them about talking about evolution at all,&quot; Buttars said. &quot;They can talk about evolution from the Big Bang or life crawled out of the slime somewhere. But what they can&#039;t do is . . . tell students, &#039;This is how it happened, how you became man, you evolved from an ape.&#039; That is all I asked the State Board of Education to do in the first place, and they thumbed their noses at me.
      &quot;You don&#039;t know how life began; nobody does in the scientific community,&quot; Buttars said. &quot;Therefore, you can only teach these things as theories. It&#039;s a small step, but it&#039;s a big step, and I can pass this bill.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

You know, once Buttars realizes that the text of his bill doesn&#039;t cover the big bang and other aspects of creation not directly related to the &quot;origins of life&quot; he is probably going to have to draft yet another bill.  Currently he seems to think his bill has it all covered though:  I am still trying to figure out how a man that would say &quot;They can talk about evolution from the Big Bang...&quot; is qualified to tell science instructors what to teach.  What class covers &quot;evolution from the Big Bang&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a 12/23/05 Deseret News article:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;It doesn&#8217;t hinder them about talking about evolution at all,&#8221; Buttars said. &#8220;They can talk about evolution from the Big Bang or life crawled out of the slime somewhere. But what they can&#8217;t do is . . . tell students, &#8216;This is how it happened, how you became man, you evolved from an ape.&#8217; That is all I asked the State Board of Education to do in the first place, and they thumbed their noses at me.<br />
      &#8220;You don&#8217;t know how life began; nobody does in the scientific community,&#8221; Buttars said. &#8220;Therefore, you can only teach these things as theories. It&#8217;s a small step, but it&#8217;s a big step, and I can pass this bill.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>You know, once Buttars realizes that the text of his bill doesn&#8217;t cover the big bang and other aspects of creation not directly related to the &#8220;origins of life&#8221; he is probably going to have to draft yet another bill.  Currently he seems to think his bill has it all covered though:  I am still trying to figure out how a man that would say &#8220;They can talk about evolution from the Big Bang&#8230;&#8221; is qualified to tell science instructors what to teach.  What class covers &#8220;evolution from the Big Bang&#8221;?</p>
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