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		<title>By: Jon Felt</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/can-christianity-cause-domestic-abuse/#comment-12299</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Felt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any time religion is blamed for a condition of humanity, it&#039;s entirely a scapegoat.  Even in Mormondom, there are those who would justify child or spousal abuse as a priesthood perogative despite the fact the church speaks out abhorably against any such acts.  And what justification was given for the Crusades, the Grand Inquisition, and even modern Gihad (sp?) terrorism.

The average convert or born-in-the-faith of any religion relates to their faith in a way that best fits their lifestyle.  An abusive man will find principle in a religion to support his lifestyle, as will a passive, tolerant woman.  And let&#039;s not forget how big a role societal tolerance plays in family abuse.

Abuse is not just in England...American society is wrought with child and spouse abuse.  Does anyone know the statistics?  I remember they&#039;re pretty bleak!  

Even if Christianity didn&#039;t speak out against such abuse (and it certainly does!), the person who commits the abuse and the society that supports it bare a much greater share of any blame.

In regards to 8, I can see how many people have in fact taken &quot;the theology of self-denial and redemptive suffering&quot; to an extreme, which does undermine their sense of personal protection.  It is bad to overemphasize any doctrine or theology, even though the theology itself is good and true. (Ref GC talk, &quot;O Be Wise&quot;)  Indeed, too much good at times can become evil.  No need to slam the Church of England for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any time religion is blamed for a condition of humanity, it&#8217;s entirely a scapegoat.  Even in Mormondom, there are those who would justify child or spousal abuse as a priesthood perogative despite the fact the church speaks out abhorably against any such acts.  And what justification was given for the Crusades, the Grand Inquisition, and even modern Gihad (sp?) terrorism.</p>
<p>The average convert or born-in-the-faith of any religion relates to their faith in a way that best fits their lifestyle.  An abusive man will find principle in a religion to support his lifestyle, as will a passive, tolerant woman.  And let&#8217;s not forget how big a role societal tolerance plays in family abuse.</p>
<p>Abuse is not just in England&#8230;American society is wrought with child and spouse abuse.  Does anyone know the statistics?  I remember they&#8217;re pretty bleak!  </p>
<p>Even if Christianity didn&#8217;t speak out against such abuse (and it certainly does!), the person who commits the abuse and the society that supports it bare a much greater share of any blame.</p>
<p>In regards to 8, I can see how many people have in fact taken &#8220;the theology of self-denial and redemptive suffering&#8221; to an extreme, which does undermine their sense of personal protection.  It is bad to overemphasize any doctrine or theology, even though the theology itself is good and true. (Ref GC talk, &#8220;O Be Wise&#8221;)  Indeed, too much good at times can become evil.  No need to slam the Church of England for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/can-christianity-cause-domestic-abuse/#comment-12295</link>
		<dc:creator>john f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your opinion of this, Ronan?  To me, this is shocking.

&lt;i&gt;The theology of self-denial and redemptive suffering in the Crucifixion of Jesus has â€œundermined peopleâ€™s recognition of the evils being done to them and implanted masochistic attitudes of acceptance, or even celebration, of their afflictions.â€&lt;/i&gt;

This point, to me, seems like a denial or refutation of the very core of Christianity.  Self-denial and the redemptive suffering of Jesus Christ are now bad and this is suggested not by a punk rock band or a secularist college professor but by the Church of England itself.

Where are we when even churches -- as influential a church as the Church of England -- begin teaching that good is evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your opinion of this, Ronan?  To me, this is shocking.</p>
<p><i>The theology of self-denial and redemptive suffering in the Crucifixion of Jesus has â€œundermined peopleâ€™s recognition of the evils being done to them and implanted masochistic attitudes of acceptance, or even celebration, of their afflictions.â€</i></p>
<p>This point, to me, seems like a denial or refutation of the very core of Christianity.  Self-denial and the redemptive suffering of Jesus Christ are now bad and this is suggested not by a punk rock band or a secularist college professor but by the Church of England itself.</p>
<p>Where are we when even churches &#8212; as influential a church as the Church of England &#8212; begin teaching that good is evil?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/can-christianity-cause-domestic-abuse/#comment-12189</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are about a billion Christians, so it seems reasonable that at least some of them abuse their wife who would not had they been raised atheist or buddhist or what have you.

This is half the story.  To know how Christianity affects the number of abuses that occur, you&#039;d want to subtract off all the beatings that would occur but don&#039;t, owing to a person being Christian.  I would guess that the net effect would be in Christianity&#039;s favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are about a billion Christians, so it seems reasonable that at least some of them abuse their wife who would not had they been raised atheist or buddhist or what have you.</p>
<p>This is half the story.  To know how Christianity affects the number of abuses that occur, you&#8217;d want to subtract off all the beatings that would occur but don&#8217;t, owing to a person being Christian.  I would guess that the net effect would be in Christianity&#8217;s favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve EM</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/can-christianity-cause-domestic-abuse/#comment-12132</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve EM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be a British thing.  I once at dinner at One Eyed Jack&#039;s in Newcastle, a Limey told me it was ok for a Christian to beat his wife because Jesus was silent on the matter.  At the time, I thought it was a joke, but I guess he was serious.  No wonder you guys banned guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be a British thing.  I once at dinner at One Eyed Jack&#8217;s in Newcastle, a Limey told me it was ok for a Christian to beat his wife because Jesus was silent on the matter.  At the time, I thought it was a joke, but I guess he was serious.  No wonder you guys banned guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/can-christianity-cause-domestic-abuse/#comment-12126</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what the Lord told Ezekiel in chapter 18 verse 4: &lt;strong&gt;the soul that sinneth, it shall die.&lt;/strong&gt;

This is akin to what President Hinckley talked about in the Priesthood Session of General Conference this weekend. &quot;Arise ye men of God,&quot; and &quot;Arise from the dust and be men!&quot; as President Christofferson quoted Lehi. i.e take responsibility for your own actions.

What the church of England is basically saying here is &quot;the devil made me do it.&quot;

So no, our actions are our own faults. We have to accept the consequences of them, and not lay blame on any institution, group, ethnicity, identity, or the devil himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what the Lord told Ezekiel in chapter 18 verse 4: <strong>the soul that sinneth, it shall die.</strong></p>
<p>This is akin to what President Hinckley talked about in the Priesthood Session of General Conference this weekend. &#8220;Arise ye men of God,&#8221; and &#8220;Arise from the dust and be men!&#8221; as President Christofferson quoted Lehi. i.e take responsibility for your own actions.</p>
<p>What the church of England is basically saying here is &#8220;the devil made me do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>So no, our actions are our own faults. We have to accept the consequences of them, and not lay blame on any institution, group, ethnicity, identity, or the devil himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/can-christianity-cause-domestic-abuse/#comment-12118</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that there is abuse in other religions.  (i.e. Buddhism)  I think blaming it on religion is just a nice scapegoat whereas the real issue deals with economics, education and the human psyche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that there is abuse in other religions.  (i.e. Buddhism)  I think blaming it on religion is just a nice scapegoat whereas the real issue deals with economics, education and the human psyche.</p>
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