Comments on: Catholics and the Middle East crisis http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/ Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:22:47 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: David http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/#comment-8729 David Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:50:03 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=391#comment-8729 Maybe when we colonize Mars we'll have some options available. And while we're at it we might be able to pursade the Native American populations and other dispossessed populations around the world to follow similarly. We'll never eradicate grievances or level the conquest playing field. The victors will just have to continue to find different ways to placate their guilt and move forward with all the material advantages that such conquests have bestowed. Meanwhile the Mars option looks pretty good at this point. Maybe when we colonize Mars we’ll have some options available. And while we’re at it we might be able to pursade the Native American populations and other dispossessed populations around the world to follow similarly.

We’ll never eradicate grievances or level the conquest playing field. The victors will just have to continue to find different ways to placate their guilt and move forward with all the material advantages that such conquests have bestowed. Meanwhile the Mars option looks pretty good at this point.

]]> By: john f. http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/#comment-8713 john f. Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:08:38 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=391#comment-8713 Yeah, there must be some hellhole somewhere willing to accept the Jewish people. Yeah, there must be some hellhole somewhere willing to accept the Jewish people.

]]> By: Ronan http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/#comment-8561 Ronan Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:54:15 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=391#comment-8561 I have a Jewish professor who thinks Israel should have been "carved out" of the American desert. He thinks southern Utah would have been a great place. I have a Jewish professor who thinks Israel should have been “carved out” of the American desert. He thinks southern Utah would have been a great place.

]]> By: Daniel Peterson http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/#comment-8550 Daniel Peterson Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:02:51 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=391#comment-8550 Perhaps Israel should have been carved out of Germany and not Palestine. But it wasn't. And it's now been there for nearly sixty years. And there has been a substantial Zionist presence there for even longer, and a historic Jewish presence for even longer than that. If you really want to base contemporary politics on past history, the Arabs should be restricted to the Arabian Peninsula, the Iranians should be driven back up into the mountains north of the Iranian plateau, the Turks should be forcibly repatriated to Central Asia, Scots Gaelic should be the official language north of Hadrian's Wall, and the like. But none of this is very relevant. And grievances are endless. I fully realize that Hizbullah doesn't exist in a vacuum. But that doesn't oblige me to grant either that all of their grievances are legitimate or, even more, that their actions are justified. Perhaps Israel should have been carved out of Germany and not Palestine. But it wasn’t. And it’s now been there for nearly sixty years. And there has been a substantial Zionist presence there for even longer, and a historic Jewish presence for even longer than that.

If you really want to base contemporary politics on past history, the Arabs should be restricted to the Arabian Peninsula, the Iranians should be driven back up into the mountains north of the Iranian plateau, the Turks should be forcibly repatriated to Central Asia, Scots Gaelic should be the official language north of Hadrian’s Wall, and the like.

But none of this is very relevant. And grievances are endless.

I fully realize that Hizbullah doesn’t exist in a vacuum. But that doesn’t oblige me to grant either that all of their grievances are legitimate or, even more, that their actions are justified.

]]> By: David http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/#comment-8549 David Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:41:05 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=391#comment-8549 In my opinion, the Israeli state should have been carved out of Germany and not Palestine. Why did the Palestinians have to pay for the crimes of Nazi Germany and Nazi sympathizers? No one wants a Holocaust revisited and I am in support of keeping that from ever happening again, but, we also need to hold unjust crimes and killings at the hands of State sanctioned behavior in the same light as WWII atrocities. Hezbollah in their minds have been provoked along time ago and are continually being provoked by Israeli occupation and policies. These kinds of groups dont just exist in a vacuum and become viable for no reason other then they hate Jews. Even in our own land of the free we had 60's radical groups such as the Black Panther party form as a result of white police oppression and violence. The early history of the LDS Church also provides ample examples of armed resistence to the anti-Mormon establishment. Porter Rockwell believed he was Prophet and God sanctioned to exact violent revenge against the Church's enemies. A people can only be pushed so far before they feel they have no choice but to retaliate by any means necessary. In my opinion, the Israeli state should have been carved out of Germany and not Palestine. Why did the Palestinians have to pay for the crimes of Nazi Germany and Nazi sympathizers? No one wants a Holocaust revisited and I am in support of keeping that from ever happening again, but, we also need to hold unjust crimes and killings at the hands of State sanctioned behavior in the same light as WWII atrocities.

Hezbollah in their minds have been provoked along time ago and are continually being provoked by Israeli occupation and policies. These kinds of groups dont just exist in a vacuum and become viable for no reason other then they hate Jews.

Even in our own land of the free we had 60′s radical groups such as the Black Panther party form as a result of white police oppression and violence.

The early history of the LDS Church also provides ample examples of armed resistence to the anti-Mormon establishment. Porter Rockwell believed he was Prophet and God sanctioned to exact violent revenge against the Church’s enemies.

A people can only be pushed so far before they feel they have no choice but to retaliate by any means necessary.

]]> By: Daniel Peterson http://www.bloggernacle.org/catholics-and-the-middle-east-crisis/#comment-8548 Daniel Peterson Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:16:28 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=391#comment-8548 As an Arabist, I'm certainly aware of, and sympathetic to, the Arab side of the issues in the Arab-Israeli conflict. I would not, however, feel comfortable entertaining a change in U.S. Middle East policy that would result in, or would even risk, the disappearance of the state of Israel. My father participated in the liberation of the Nazi extermination camp at Mauthausen, in Austria, and his duties there after the liberation included photographic documentation of what his unit found. I grew up with those photographs and with his horror stories, and have no wish to see a second Holocaust. I agree that the establishment of Israel in the Levant entailed a number of injuries to the Palestinians, and that Zionists have often behaved unthinkingly, unjustly, and boorishly. But Hizbullah's rocket attacks on Israeli civilians were unprovoked and are unambiguously damnable. As an Arabist, I’m certainly aware of, and sympathetic to, the Arab side of the issues in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I would not, however, feel comfortable entertaining a change in U.S. Middle East policy that would result in, or would even risk, the disappearance of the state of Israel.

My father participated in the liberation of the Nazi extermination camp at Mauthausen, in Austria, and his duties there after the liberation included photographic documentation of what his unit found. I grew up with those photographs and with his horror stories, and have no wish to see a second Holocaust.

I agree that the establishment of Israel in the Levant entailed a number of injuries to the Palestinians, and that Zionists have often behaved unthinkingly, unjustly, and boorishly. But Hizbullah’s rocket attacks on Israeli civilians were unprovoked and are unambiguously damnable.

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