Comments on: Science and the Book of Mormon http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/ Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:22:47 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: James http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-23930 James Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:31:12 +0000 http://bt.splendidsun.com/?p=103#comment-23930 These arguments are very interesting. Aside from the traditional archaelogical things mentioned swords and such and horses there is no way to realy know what things were like, or what was implied. It is true that horses are mentioned and there is the chariot question, however there is not any reference that anybody ever rode them like equine. Furthermore within the Book of Mormon there is made mention of 2 histories being recorded: A spiritual one (today's Book of Mormon) and a secular one which we do not have. It is interesting to note that in Egypt there is no indication that Moses ever lived according to their historical records. Which is not to say that he didn't but we have the Old Testament. Some things we must go on faith. An interesting topic to study would be word print analysis of the Book of Mormon check out the research here with all citations http://www.fairwiki.org/index.php/Book_of_Mormon_wordprint_studies Just another nugget to chew on and consider. Take care. These arguments are very interesting. Aside from the traditional archaelogical things mentioned swords and such and horses there is no way to realy know what things were like, or what was implied. It is true that horses are mentioned and there is the chariot question, however there is not any reference that anybody ever rode them like equine. Furthermore within the Book of Mormon there is made mention of 2 histories being recorded: A spiritual one (today’s Book of Mormon) and a secular one which we do not have. It is interesting to note that in Egypt there is no indication that Moses ever lived according to their historical records. Which is not to say that he didn’t but we have the Old Testament. Some things we must go on faith.
An interesting topic to study would be word print analysis of the Book of Mormon check out the research here with all citations http://www.fairwiki.org/index.php/Book_of_Mormon_wordprint_studies

Just another nugget to chew on and consider.

Take care.

]]> By: Scott http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-7561 Scott Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:09:05 +0000 http://bt.splendidsun.com/?p=103#comment-7561 If the book of morman is true, What did the Lamanites And Nephites use for money. Why cant we find the remenants of money thanks Scott If the book of morman is true, What did the Lamanites And Nephites use for money. Why cant we find the remenants of money

thanks

Scott

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-465 Clark Goble Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://bt.splendidsun.com/?p=103#comment-465 Just a note for the above. There is an interesting <a href="http://www.neara.org/Guthrie/lymphocyteantigens01.htm" rel="nofollow">new science discovery</a> out this week. <a href="http://mormanity.blogspot.com/2005/05/new-paper-relevant-to-controversy-on.html" rel="nofollow">Mormanity</a> has a brief writeup on it. The basic gist is a DNA marker that indicates people coming from the middle-east region but not Spain, Portugal, etc. (Although those regions have some of the market due to contact with the middle-east and north Africa) A quote: B*21 (10.4%). Old World occurrences of B*21 are concentrated in regions of strong Arab presence or influence. Frequencies of more than 15% are confined to populations in Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia (Tigre), and Jordan-Palestine, but influence extends across North Africa and into Spain, Portugal, and Italy (5-6%). In America, 84% of occurrences are clustered in four Uto-Aztecan populations (Papago, Pima, Nahua, and a Central Amerind composite).[9] The Papago have the fourth-highest frequency in the world, comparable to that of Tuaregs and Berbers.[10] CS's Central Amerind composite sample is unique in that all of its "non-Indian" HLAs are of the Afro-Asiatic set (B*21, A*30, A*32). Thus, significant Afro-Asiatic contact with western Mexico and/or the Caribbean almost certainly occurred, probably from Arabia or North Africa. Just a note for the above. There is an interesting new science discovery out this week. Mormanity has a brief writeup on it.

The basic gist is a DNA marker that indicates people coming from the middle-east region but not Spain, Portugal, etc. (Although those regions have some of the market due to contact with the middle-east and north Africa)

A quote:

B*21 (10.4%). Old World occurrences of B*21 are concentrated in regions of
strong Arab presence or influence. Frequencies of more than 15% are
confined to populations in Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia (Tigre), and
Jordan-Palestine, but influence extends across North Africa and into Spain,
Portugal, and Italy (5-6%). In America, 84% of occurrences are clustered in
four Uto-Aztecan populations (Papago, Pima, Nahua, and a Central Amerind
composite).[9] The Papago have the fourth-highest frequency in the world,
comparable to that of Tuaregs and Berbers.[10] CS’s Central Amerind
composite sample is unique in that all of its “non-Indian” HLAs are of the
Afro-Asiatic set (B*21, A*30, A*32). Thus, significant Afro-Asiatic contact
with western Mexico and/or the Caribbean almost certainly occurred, probably
from Arabia or North Africa.

]]> By: Christian Y. Cardall http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-466 Christian Y. Cardall Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://bt.splendidsun.com/?p=103#comment-466 Sword-like weapons with sharp obsidian edges don't seem to account for all the features mentioned in connection with swords. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/ether/7/9#9" rel="nofollow">Ether 7:9</a> says "did molten out of the hill, and made swords out of steel for those whom he had drawn away with him"---metalworking, clearly. Such rusted swords were later found serendipitously by wandering Nephites recovering material associated with the final battle (e.g. Ether's records). This shows the metalworking was not limited to an early generation of Jaredites, but was spread throughout Jaredite history, and sufficiently widespread to be easily found by luck. As a separate point, the sword-like obsidian-edged objects pictured by Sorenson in "Images of Ancient America" do not have sharp points on the end, as indicated in the passage where a Nephite holds up a Lamanite scalp on the point of his sword. Sword-like weapons with sharp obsidian edges don’t seem to account for all the features mentioned in connection with swords. Ether 7:9 says “did molten out of the hill, and made swords out of steel for those whom he had drawn away with him”—metalworking, clearly. Such rusted swords were later found serendipitously by wandering Nephites recovering material associated with the final battle (e.g. Ether’s records). This shows the metalworking was not limited to an early generation of Jaredites, but was spread throughout Jaredite history, and sufficiently widespread to be easily found by luck. As a separate point, the sword-like obsidian-edged objects pictured by Sorenson in “Images of Ancient America” do not have sharp points on the end, as indicated in the passage where a Nephite holds up a Lamanite scalp on the point of his sword.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-467 Clark Goble Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://bt.splendidsun.com/?p=103#comment-467 I don't think that swords can be totally discounted (which is why I included it in the problem section). However I stand by the claim that the apologists are on much stronger ground here than say with horses. For the metal swords, we don't have to assume there were large amounts nor that they lasted for very long. (Perhaps losing an easy supply of metal) With regards to the end of his sword, I think that the points going down like a jagged hedge clipper still would work. The point is at the end, but isn't a tip point like in a European or Asian sword. I don’t think that swords can be totally discounted (which is why I included it in the problem section). However I stand by the claim that the apologists are on much stronger ground here than say with horses. For the metal swords, we don’t have to assume there were large amounts nor that they lasted for very long. (Perhaps losing an easy supply of metal)

With regards to the end of his sword, I think that the points going down like a jagged hedge clipper still would work. The point is at the end, but isn’t a tip point like in a European or Asian sword.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/science-and-the-book-of-mormon/#comment-468 Clark Goble Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://bt.splendidsun.com/?p=103#comment-468 Just a note on that "paper" I linked to. I think there are good reasons to doubt it. I checked out the web site and it isn't an academic site. Further the paper is apparently a few years old. Just a note on that “paper” I linked to. I think there are good reasons to doubt it. I checked out the web site and it isn’t an academic site. Further the paper is apparently a few years old.

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