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		<title>By: Gerald E. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/steve-jones-and-byu/#comment-2484</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald E. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all be thankful that we can field our opinions on an excellent blogsite such as this, during a time where Big Brother controls the Mainstream Media and many other avenues of dissent.  The main question is how long Big Brother will allow us this limited freedom of expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all be thankful that we can field our opinions on an excellent blogsite such as this, during a time where Big Brother controls the Mainstream Media and many other avenues of dissent.  The main question is how long Big Brother will allow us this limited freedom of expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve EM</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/steve-jones-and-byu/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve EM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,

Hope your feeling better.  As far as Mormons and booze, IMHO, for medicinal purposes, it has its place.  Sure beats the nursing home meds, n&#039;est-ce pas?


Metamars,

Why do I say Jones is a nut job?  Because he is!  As is well known in the bloggernacle, I&#039;m a plain (sometimes blunt and crude) talker and about as far away from the Joe Mormon, Steve Covey, GA wannabe types who have a knack for obscuring the obvious.  I trust people until they give me a reason not to.  When someone speaks w/ authority on a subject I know quite a bit about, and I find them to be spouting nonsense, as is the case w/ Jones, then everything they say is suspect.

To point out the obvious, planes loaded w/ fuel for east-west coast flights are flown into the two World Trade Towers and the Pentagon.  A forth plane is ditched due to a passenger revolt.  Hydrocarbon fires, known to soften steel and destroy concrete, ensue in the Trade Towers.  The fires are witnessed by billions.  Soon there after, the towers collapse in a floor upon floor, repetitive pancake fashion.

Now Jones comes in, and rather than apply Occamâ€™s razor, speaks of a conspiracy that would have involved at least hundreds, if not thousands.  That&#039;s nuts.  Ergo, Jones is a nut.

Now youâ€™re going to say, what of WTC 7?  Try losing part of a building when two nearby skyscrapers collapse, and leave the damaged structure burning for hours on end, w/ fuels that included heating oil, w/o any meaningful firefighting possible, and see what happens.  We did.

Why my short fuse towards Jones?  I&#039;m a BYU alum (undergrad).  I worked hard for my degree and value it.  Jones embarrasses BYU and thus embarrasses me personally.  Think of having someone take your diploma off the wall and defecate on it.  That&#039;s how I feel about Jones actions.  I&#039;m glad the university and his peers have distanced themselves from him, but they were far too slow to do so.  For him personally, I&#039;m sad.  I hope he gets the professional help he desperately needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>Hope your feeling better.  As far as Mormons and booze, IMHO, for medicinal purposes, it has its place.  Sure beats the nursing home meds, n&#8217;est-ce pas?</p>
<p>Metamars,</p>
<p>Why do I say Jones is a nut job?  Because he is!  As is well known in the bloggernacle, I&#8217;m a plain (sometimes blunt and crude) talker and about as far away from the Joe Mormon, Steve Covey, GA wannabe types who have a knack for obscuring the obvious.  I trust people until they give me a reason not to.  When someone speaks w/ authority on a subject I know quite a bit about, and I find them to be spouting nonsense, as is the case w/ Jones, then everything they say is suspect.</p>
<p>To point out the obvious, planes loaded w/ fuel for east-west coast flights are flown into the two World Trade Towers and the Pentagon.  A forth plane is ditched due to a passenger revolt.  Hydrocarbon fires, known to soften steel and destroy concrete, ensue in the Trade Towers.  The fires are witnessed by billions.  Soon there after, the towers collapse in a floor upon floor, repetitive pancake fashion.</p>
<p>Now Jones comes in, and rather than apply Occamâ€™s razor, speaks of a conspiracy that would have involved at least hundreds, if not thousands.  That&#8217;s nuts.  Ergo, Jones is a nut.</p>
<p>Now youâ€™re going to say, what of WTC 7?  Try losing part of a building when two nearby skyscrapers collapse, and leave the damaged structure burning for hours on end, w/ fuels that included heating oil, w/o any meaningful firefighting possible, and see what happens.  We did.</p>
<p>Why my short fuse towards Jones?  I&#8217;m a BYU alum (undergrad).  I worked hard for my degree and value it.  Jones embarrasses BYU and thus embarrasses me personally.  Think of having someone take your diploma off the wall and defecate on it.  That&#8217;s how I feel about Jones actions.  I&#8217;m glad the university and his peers have distanced themselves from him, but they were far too slow to do so.  For him personally, I&#8217;m sad.  I hope he gets the professional help he desperately needs.</p>
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		<title>By: metamars</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/steve-jones-and-byu/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>metamars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jones may be a sincere nut, but heâ€™s a nut just the same.&quot;

Fortunately, in science, ad hominem attacks cannot prevail in the long run, and usually aren&#039;t even entertained in the short run. Can you imagine going to a scientific conference and hearing one speaker attack another with crass comments like this? The above is a political statement, all too effective in swaying the unscientific masses, but quite useless in a scientific context.

Then again, Steve EM&#039;s purpose isn&#039;t scientific, now is it?

Everybody remembers the name of Galileo today, nobody remembers the name of the Inquisitors who found his investigations and beliefs so threatening. 

Whether you call Jones a heretic or a &quot;nutcase&quot;, if the truth is shown to be close to that understood by Jones, myself, and many others,  all your name-calling  will be clearly understood to be nothing but propaganda, even by non-scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jones may be a sincere nut, but heâ€™s a nut just the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fortunately, in science, ad hominem attacks cannot prevail in the long run, and usually aren&#8217;t even entertained in the short run. Can you imagine going to a scientific conference and hearing one speaker attack another with crass comments like this? The above is a political statement, all too effective in swaying the unscientific masses, but quite useless in a scientific context.</p>
<p>Then again, Steve EM&#8217;s purpose isn&#8217;t scientific, now is it?</p>
<p>Everybody remembers the name of Galileo today, nobody remembers the name of the Inquisitors who found his investigations and beliefs so threatening. </p>
<p>Whether you call Jones a heretic or a &#8220;nutcase&#8221;, if the truth is shown to be close to that understood by Jones, myself, and many others,  all your name-calling  will be clearly understood to be nothing but propaganda, even by non-scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/steve-jones-and-byu/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, the Illuminati is just a cover for the true masters:  Those who watch over the Holy Grail.

Plus the Trilateral comission is currently on the outs with their alien masters, so Fox Mulder might come out of hiding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, the Illuminati is just a cover for the true masters:  Those who watch over the Holy Grail.</p>
<p>Plus the Trilateral comission is currently on the outs with their alien masters, so Fox Mulder might come out of hiding.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald E. Anderson, Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/steve-jones-and-byu/#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald E. Anderson, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Steve:

I&#039;d do a rum with you but i thought that EM&#039;s abjured from those mind-altering things.  Be nice.  Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Steve:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d do a rum with you but i thought that EM&#8217;s abjured from those mind-altering things.  Be nice.  Jerry</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/steve-jones-and-byu/#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Goble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the Illuminati you really have to fear!  The secret society inside the secret society. Only Sidney Bristol can save us from Rimbaldi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Illuminati you really have to fear!  The secret society inside the secret society. Only Sidney Bristol can save us from Rimbaldi.</p>
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