Comments on: This Week In Science and Religion http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/ Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:45:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: annegb http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/#comment-2621 annegb Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:11:04 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=240#comment-2621 I don't understand this issue like most of you, but I saw a picture in the news that showed a clearly triumphant woman with her hands in the air. She looked like she was about 20 or so. And I thought, "why is this issue so important to young people that they celebrate it so blatantly?" I don't understand the battleground mentality of this issue. Nobody wins. And those who believe in God will teach their children. What is gained? I don’t understand this issue like most of you, but I saw a picture in the news that showed a clearly triumphant woman with her hands in the air. She looked like she was about 20 or so. And I thought, “why is this issue so important to young people that they celebrate it so blatantly?” I don’t understand the battleground mentality of this issue. Nobody wins. And those who believe in God will teach their children. What is gained?

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/#comment-2611 Clark Goble Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:21:13 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=240#comment-2611 I know some people feel that way Jeffrey. The problem is that the distinction you insist upon is hard to manage in real life where things get blurry. I've certainly read people making that distinction over religion but I certainly don't buy it. It also tends to try to raise a kind of scientism I find worrisome. I know some people feel that way Jeffrey. The problem is that the distinction you insist upon is hard to manage in real life where things get blurry. I’ve certainly read people making that distinction over religion but I certainly don’t buy it. It also tends to try to raise a kind of scientism I find worrisome.

]]> By: Jeffrey Giliam http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/#comment-2594 Jeffrey Giliam Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:56:52 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=240#comment-2594 I don't know if I would phrase it like that. What I'm saying is that the phrase "religious claim" could be applied to two very different kinds of statements. Suppose I make the claim X about the subject Y. If Y is religious but X is not then these statements seems to be uncontroversially protected in being taught in state universities. Take for example the psychology of religion, anthro of rel., philo. of religion and so on. The claims made in these classes are "religious claims" but not in the worrisome way. The worrisome "religious claims" come when the nature of X is religious. These kinds of claims can also be applied to a number of subjects such as astronomy (ptolomeic system), evolution (creationism), psychology (folk dualism), anthropology (mesoamerican studies), entymology (tower of babel) and so on. It is when X is of a religious nature that the separation between state and church should be upheld. Now Dennett's claim (thought not as strong as I think he thinks it is) was of the former kind. He was making a philosophical/scientific claim about religion, not a religious claim about philosophy or science. I don’t know if I would phrase it like that. What I’m saying is that the phrase “religious claim” could be applied to two very different kinds of statements. Suppose I make the claim X about the subject Y. If Y is religious but X is not then these statements seems to be uncontroversially protected in being taught in state universities. Take for example the psychology of religion, anthro of rel., philo. of religion and so on. The claims made in these classes are “religious claims” but not in the worrisome way.

The worrisome “religious claims” come when the nature of X is religious. These kinds of claims can also be applied to a number of subjects such as astronomy (ptolomeic system), evolution (creationism), psychology (folk dualism), anthropology (mesoamerican studies), entymology (tower of babel) and so on. It is when X is of a religious nature that the separation between state and church should be upheld.

Now Dennett’s claim (thought not as strong as I think he thinks it is) was of the former kind. He was making a philosophical/scientific claim about religion, not a religious claim about philosophy or science.

]]> By: will http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/#comment-2590 will Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:19:43 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=240#comment-2590 I'm listening to Chris Buttars on KSL right now. Is ignorance sufficient cause for impeachment? I’m listening to Chris Buttars on KSL right now. Is ignorance sufficient cause for impeachment?

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/#comment-2557 Clark Goble Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:18:41 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=240#comment-2557 Are you basically distinguishing between method and dogma? Are you basically distinguishing between method and dogma?

]]> By: Jeffrey Giliam http://www.bloggernacle.org/this-week-in-science-and-religion-3/#comment-2541 Jeffrey Giliam Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:48:05 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=240#comment-2541 I can see your skepticism about the fuzzy distinctions I've made. My main point is that the nature of a claim should not be confused with the nature of the thing which the claim is about. That is the equivocation which I see as being most problematic in the term "religious claim." Lot's of university classes make claims about religion, but this doesn't make the classes or the claims made in them religious. I can see your skepticism about the fuzzy distinctions I’ve made. My main point is that the nature of a claim should not be confused with the nature of the thing which the claim is about. That is the equivocation which I see as being most problematic in the term “religious claim.” Lot’s of university classes make claims about religion, but this doesn’t make the classes or the claims made in them religious.

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