Comments on: Unhireable in Mormon Studies http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/ Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:10:36 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/#comment-4772 Clark Goble Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:42:07 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=358#comment-4772 Yup. That pretty well states where you're coming from David. And with that I'll bow out since I tend to agree with Stephen. You see religion as a threat and want it out of the Academy entirely. Yup. That pretty well states where you’re coming from David. And with that I’ll bow out since I tend to agree with Stephen. You see religion as a threat and want it out of the Academy entirely.

]]> By: David http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/#comment-4771 David Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:23:56 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=358#comment-4771 Not all institutions of higher learning are perfect or problem free. Quite the contratry. Quinn is gone now, but the climate in which he was discharged over whether or not he beleived a celestial kingdom exists or whether or not Joseph Smith liked salamanders and other mystical characters, still exists. This is where the world of mythology and the world of evidence collide in my opinion and you cant have believers in mythology holding sway over the minds of academics. Its oil and water. We had our Dark Ages. It didnt work. We got no where when thought and progress were controlled by mythological organizations. Its bad enough we have a tsunami of evangelicalism trying to run rough shod over the policies distiguishing between church and state. I have plenty of understanding and what I understand as do others is we're heading for perilous times as a Nation. One only need read the recent publication, "American Theocracy" by conservative thinker Kevin Phillips to corroborate what is happening and where we're headed... http://www.americantheocracy.net/ Not all institutions of higher learning are perfect or problem free. Quite the contratry. Quinn is gone now, but the climate in which he was discharged over whether or not he beleived a celestial kingdom exists or whether or not Joseph Smith liked salamanders and other mystical characters, still exists.

This is where the world of mythology and the world of evidence collide in my opinion and you cant have believers in mythology holding sway over the minds of academics. Its oil and water. We had our Dark Ages. It didnt work. We got no where when thought and progress were controlled by mythological organizations.

Its bad enough we have a tsunami of evangelicalism trying to run rough shod over the policies distiguishing between church and state.

I have plenty of understanding and what I understand as do others is we’re heading for perilous times as a Nation. One only need read the recent publication, “American Theocracy” by conservative thinker Kevin Phillips to corroborate what is happening and where we’re headed…

http://www.americantheocracy.net/

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/#comment-4767 Stephen M (Ethesis) Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:23 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=358#comment-4767 <em>Which begs the question David. All you appear to be saying is that there is a single vision of an university and thus there is no place for a third option.</em> That does appear to me the same way. Not to mention, David appears to have no real grasp of academia (e.g. his feeling that since Quinn can't get a job, things are grossly wrong, but only in BYU's end, his belief that Quinn's current status has much effect on BYU students getting into graduate school, etc.). What I get from reading David is someone marshalling arguments rather than someone understanding. Which begs the question David. All you appear to be saying is that there is a single vision of an university and thus there is no place for a third option.

That does appear to me the same way. Not to mention, David appears to have no real grasp of academia (e.g. his feeling that since Quinn can’t get a job, things are grossly wrong, but only in BYU’s end, his belief that Quinn’s current status has much effect on BYU students getting into graduate school, etc.).

What I get from reading David is someone marshalling arguments rather than someone understanding.

]]> By: David http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/#comment-4759 David Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:20:25 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=358#comment-4759 I just pointed out the failings of the Administration and Trustees and how card carrying Prof/members addressed those failings. Im just an observer from the outside. What the BYU administration needs to do then is renounce any affiliation it might now have that it pays lip service to and then tell the world they are an entity unto themselves beholden to their own policies and procedures. Id have more respect for BYU and the Church if they would just disclose what they're really about instead of hiding behind a facade of something else and then punishing people when they do what academics do. Its basic... I just pointed out the failings of the Administration and Trustees and how card carrying Prof/members addressed those failings. Im just an observer from the outside. What the BYU administration needs to do then is renounce any affiliation it might now have that it pays lip service to and then tell the world they are an entity unto themselves beholden to their own policies and procedures.

Id have more respect for BYU and the Church if they would just disclose what they’re really about instead of hiding behind a facade of something else and then punishing people when they do what academics do. Its basic…

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/#comment-4752 Clark Goble Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:59:40 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=358#comment-4752 Just to add, to bring up the obvious example, say a church university wants to make membership in the faith a requirement. Now say someone decides to become an atheist. Can that be reconciled with academic freedom? I don't see how. Just to add, to bring up the obvious example, say a church university wants to make membership in the faith a requirement. Now say someone decides to become an atheist. Can that be reconciled with academic freedom? I don’t see how.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/unhireable-in-mormon-studies/#comment-4748 Clark Goble Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:51:29 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=358#comment-4748 Which begs the question David. All you appear to be saying is that there is a single vision of an university and thus there is no place for a third option. Which begs the question David. All you appear to be saying is that there is a single vision of an university and thus there is no place for a third option.

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