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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/universe-gets-tough/#comment-4425</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pall of fear and worry&quot; ... &quot;witch hunts&quot; ... you&#039;re still at it, David.  Calling it hyperbole isn&#039;t an attack, it&#039;s an accurate description.  Why should I attack the AAUP?  I don&#039;t object to their action; BYU probably deserves it.  It would be nice if BYU changed its approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pall of fear and worry&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;witch hunts&#8221; &#8230; you&#8217;re still at it, David.  Calling it hyperbole isn&#8217;t an attack, it&#8217;s an accurate description.  Why should I attack the AAUP?  I don&#8217;t object to their action; BYU probably deserves it.  It would be nice if BYU changed its approach.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/universe-gets-tough/#comment-4422</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt know this was a writing contest, Dave. Bad essay aside, you do what most do when truthful comments are difficult  to address, you attack the messenger. Basic stuff... 

Dont just attack me, attack the Assoc. of Univ. Professors which have censored BYU over the mistreatment of some of its fired faculty members. What student wants to graduate from a Univ. wherein that school is the subject of censorship by the academic community? I wonder how many students actually know such censoring took place? 

Maybe you can write into the Daily Universe and help educate the group. Maybe you&#039;ll  get published, but we all know the reality of that happening.

Unless bona fide debate and attention is directed toward the pall of fear and worry that is felt by students and the academics who want to speak out but cant, nothing will change. Instead you&#039;ll continue to have the witch hunts and firings of the honest and well intended. 

In the mean time please feel free to edit and revise my comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt know this was a writing contest, Dave. Bad essay aside, you do what most do when truthful comments are difficult  to address, you attack the messenger. Basic stuff&#8230; </p>
<p>Dont just attack me, attack the Assoc. of Univ. Professors which have censored BYU over the mistreatment of some of its fired faculty members. What student wants to graduate from a Univ. wherein that school is the subject of censorship by the academic community? I wonder how many students actually know such censoring took place? </p>
<p>Maybe you can write into the Daily Universe and help educate the group. Maybe you&#8217;ll  get published, but we all know the reality of that happening.</p>
<p>Unless bona fide debate and attention is directed toward the pall of fear and worry that is felt by students and the academics who want to speak out but cant, nothing will change. Instead you&#8217;ll continue to have the witch hunts and firings of the honest and well intended. </p>
<p>In the mean time please feel free to edit and revise my comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/universe-gets-tough/#comment-4411</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, ARJ.

David, your whining hyperbole doesn&#039;t do much for your credibility.  Charade?  Factory?  Oppression?  The &quot;ire and resentment of the educated world at large?&quot;  You sound like a bad essay from English 99R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, ARJ.</p>
<p>David, your whining hyperbole doesn&#8217;t do much for your credibility.  Charade?  Factory?  Oppression?  The &#8220;ire and resentment of the educated world at large?&#8221;  You sound like a bad essay from English 99R.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/universe-gets-tough/#comment-4410</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635196107,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635196107,00.html&lt;/a&gt;

It seems there was a protest on Friday at BYU over the firing.  200 students and one faculty member showed up.  Where was the protest for Darron Smith?</description>
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<p>It seems there was a protest on Friday at BYU over the firing.  200 students and one faculty member showed up.  Where was the protest for Darron Smith?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/universe-gets-tough/#comment-4408</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More basic stuff... 

My heart goes out to the fired gentlemen for speaking his mind about the questionable practices of a student body election system. This comingling of church power with the tenets of free thought and academic freedom is a charade at BYU. When are people who work and attend their going to get it? 

BYU is a not a University in the Renaissance sense of the word. It is a factory wherein students attend to find likeminded procreators and replicate the system. If degrees are granted at that missions expense then the Church has failed. Sacrificing a few dissidents in lieu of that mission is paramount. 

In my humble opinion, the Church needs to sever its ties to the academic business and not continue to embarrass itself with backward censorship that only draws the ire and resentment of the educated world at large. 
Trying to explain away and undue the damage doesnt solve the systemic nature of oppression that the Church has created at BYU.  

Moreover, you have a Church where all its tithe members support only a select few of students who can attend and oftentimes its the children of the elite who get in and benefit from worldwide subsidization.  I dont think God meant for his funds to subisidize such thought control, football games, law schools,  business schools and all the other departments and branches of the Church&#039;s university system. 

Last  time I checked third world hunger has gone unsolved as well as a host of other world suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More basic stuff&#8230; </p>
<p>My heart goes out to the fired gentlemen for speaking his mind about the questionable practices of a student body election system. This comingling of church power with the tenets of free thought and academic freedom is a charade at BYU. When are people who work and attend their going to get it? </p>
<p>BYU is a not a University in the Renaissance sense of the word. It is a factory wherein students attend to find likeminded procreators and replicate the system. If degrees are granted at that missions expense then the Church has failed. Sacrificing a few dissidents in lieu of that mission is paramount. </p>
<p>In my humble opinion, the Church needs to sever its ties to the academic business and not continue to embarrass itself with backward censorship that only draws the ire and resentment of the educated world at large.<br />
Trying to explain away and undue the damage doesnt solve the systemic nature of oppression that the Church has created at BYU.  </p>
<p>Moreover, you have a Church where all its tithe members support only a select few of students who can attend and oftentimes its the children of the elite who get in and benefit from worldwide subsidization.  I dont think God meant for his funds to subisidize such thought control, football games, law schools,  business schools and all the other departments and branches of the Church&#8217;s university system. </p>
<p>Last  time I checked third world hunger has gone unsolved as well as a host of other world suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernacle.org/universe-gets-tough/#comment-4394</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon -

that is one thing - having been to other colleges,

well - The Daily Universe is actually one of the better student Newspapers out there.  I made fun of it a lot (and spotted a dozen copy editing mistakes in nearly every issue), but it is a lot better than nearly every other student paper I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon -</p>
<p>that is one thing &#8211; having been to other colleges,</p>
<p>well &#8211; The Daily Universe is actually one of the better student Newspapers out there.  I made fun of it a lot (and spotted a dozen copy editing mistakes in nearly every issue), but it is a lot better than nearly every other student paper I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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