Comments on: Write-up on Steve Jones and 9/11 Conspiracies http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/ Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:10:36 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: erasmocbc http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/#comment-10323 erasmocbc Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:14:48 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=388#comment-10323 The arguments of Prof Jones are solid. No one should make an opinion of them before reading the article. He points out objective facts which radically undermine the credibility of the official story. You need to examine these objectively before reacting. Here is a link to the professor's article, http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf Read It. And see the quality of the evidence for yourself. If he is so wrong it should not be hard to find a valid refutation to his claims. So far I have only found ad-hominem attacks and forgone conclusions; no solid refutation, from anyone. So, as far as I can tell, the good prof. is right and is being persecuted for showing that the emperor has no clothes. The arguments of Prof Jones are solid. No one should make an opinion of them before reading the article. He points out objective facts which radically undermine the credibility of the official story. You need to examine these objectively before reacting. Here is a link to the professor’s article, http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

Read It. And see the quality of the evidence for yourself. If he is so wrong it should not be hard to find a valid refutation to his claims. So far I have only found ad-hominem attacks and forgone conclusions; no solid refutation, from anyone. So, as far as I can tell, the good prof. is right and is being persecuted for showing that the emperor has no clothes.

]]> By: David http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/#comment-10311 David Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:20:46 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=388#comment-10311 Its all very basic that they would eventually reign Jones in with a suspension. You have to sacrifice ones right to speak and expose for political expediency. BYU has basically pandered to power as does our media and many other organizations that cant afford to rock relations with our dictator in the White House. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch, and the Church continues to have its missionaries manhandled and criticized around the world as official representatives of our country and Bush's war machine. The Church wants converts but the many first world converts they seek see the hypocrisy in sending missionaries while men of a similar age from our country are shipped off to kill. Its a twisted reality the Church finds itself in in trying to convey the message of Christ. BYU wants blind patriotism and an environment that doesnt encourage dissent, yet everyday Missionaries are receiving an education of hatred and well informed positions as to what our country is promoting around the world. Steve Jones represented in my book a courageous voice for what many people know and feel but are afraid to speak out about. Sacrificing one academic will not eliminate the 911 movement nor the information that is out there. Its all very basic that they would eventually reign Jones in with a suspension. You have to sacrifice ones right to speak and expose for political expediency. BYU has basically pandered to power as does our media and many other organizations that cant afford to rock relations with our dictator in the White House.

However, there is no such thing as a free lunch, and the Church continues to have its missionaries manhandled and criticized around the world as official representatives of our country and Bush’s war machine.

The Church wants converts but the many first world converts they seek see the hypocrisy in sending missionaries while men of a similar age from our country are shipped off to kill. Its a twisted reality the Church finds itself in in trying to convey the message of Christ.

BYU wants blind patriotism and an environment that doesnt encourage dissent, yet everyday Missionaries are receiving an education of hatred and well informed positions as to what our country is promoting around the world.

Steve Jones represented in my book a courageous voice for what many people know and feel but are afraid to speak out about. Sacrificing one academic will not eliminate the 911 movement nor the information that is out there.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/#comment-10302 Clark Goble Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:05:22 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=388#comment-10302 Greg how has Jones' freedom of speech been infringed? He's still free to say whatever he wants. Surely the institution that hired him has some say in the consequences that reflect upon the institution though. Say what you will about Jones but he (or at least his supporters) have been flashing the name of BYU to give the conspiracy theories respect they might otherwise not have. And this certainly is reflecting upon the university. Now I personally, because of academic freedom reasons, think that what BYU has done is inappropriate. Even though my sympathies overall are definitely with BYU. Greg how has Jones’ freedom of speech been infringed? He’s still free to say whatever he wants. Surely the institution that hired him has some say in the consequences that reflect upon the institution though. Say what you will about Jones but he (or at least his supporters) have been flashing the name of BYU to give the conspiracy theories respect they might otherwise not have. And this certainly is reflecting upon the university.

Now I personally, because of academic freedom reasons, think that what BYU has done is inappropriate. Even though my sympathies overall are definitely with BYU.

]]> By: Greg T http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/#comment-10300 Greg T Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:46:42 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=388#comment-10300 Consider this quote from Dwight D. Eisenhower, “Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.” It takes a tremendous amount of character to speak against the status quo. Although you may not agree with Jones, you should have the strength of character to defend his right to question the "official" story about 9/11. As for BYU. I cannot believe my tithing is going to support an instutution that quashes freedom of speech, the right to question our government, and the seemingly blind support of the Bush machine. There were people that were considered "crazy" for questioning Nixon and the Vietnam war. Yes .... it was the cut-and-run "liberals." I think history will vindicate people like Jones. Consider this quote from Dwight D. Eisenhower,

“Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels – men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.”

It takes a tremendous amount of character to speak against the status quo. Although you may not agree with Jones, you should have the strength of character to defend his right to question the “official” story about 9/11.

As for BYU. I cannot believe my tithing is going to support an instutution that quashes freedom of speech, the right to question our government, and the seemingly blind support of the Bush machine.

There were people that were considered “crazy” for questioning Nixon and the Vietnam war. Yes …. it was the cut-and-run “liberals.”

I think history will vindicate people like Jones.

]]> By: Steve EM http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/#comment-10175 Steve EM Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:21:52 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=388#comment-10175 Hey check this: out.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770 BYU, please, please, make it stop! Can this guy, please! Hey check this:
out.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770

BYU, please, please, make it stop! Can this guy, please!

]]> By: Aaron T http://www.bloggernacle.org/write-up-on-steve-jones-and-911-conspiracies/#comment-9267 Aaron T Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:24:12 +0000 http://www.bloggernacle.org/?p=388#comment-9267 I had a class from Jones before 911 and had a favorable impression of him. I therefore listened to his presentation. I was surprised, but will take the time to study it out. His figures on temps, angular momentum and facial measurements are most interesting to me because that is science. The refutations I have read are mostly imprecise and do not touch on science. I look forward to a better peer review and more data. I don't want to believe him, but it is what it is, whether I like it or not, I would rather find the truth than succumb to my less important desires. Many people will gloss over the Jones presentation and not look into the works cited or ponder the facts. That is to be expected. #13 seems to represent this group. If I understand correctly he says that to look into a possibility in a scientific way is ugly and insidious. To me it is ugly and insidious to not look into such a theory and have it be shown true or false. It is the beauty of democracy that such theories exist. Since #13 made such a passionate plea I will counter, do we not owe it to those who died to find the truth? How do you know the truth if it is not investigated? Has a full investigation been done? How do you know? Will their blood not cry up from the dust against us if we do not do our part? Why are people afraid to consider possibilities, look into them, and find if they are true or not? Is that not what Joseph Smith did and we are all asked to do? Is that not learning, discovery? I for one would like to see a refutation written that is at the same level of science that Jones’s paper is at. So far I have not been able to find one. Maybe one will come out soon. In the mean time I know some physics, chemistry etc.. I’m lookin into this a bit myself. That’s what the bibliography is for. I had a class from Jones before 911 and had a favorable impression of him. I therefore listened to his presentation. I was surprised, but will take the time to study it out. His figures on temps, angular momentum and facial measurements are most interesting to me because that is science. The refutations I have read are mostly imprecise and do not touch on science. I look forward to a better peer review and more data. I don’t want to believe him, but it is what it is, whether I like it or not, I would rather find the truth than succumb to my less important desires.

Many people will gloss over the Jones presentation and not look into the works cited or ponder the facts. That is to be expected. #13 seems to represent this group. If I understand correctly he says that to look into a possibility in a scientific way is ugly and insidious. To me it is ugly and insidious to not look into such a theory and have it be shown true or false. It is the beauty of democracy that such theories exist. Since #13 made such a passionate plea I will counter, do we not owe it to those who died to find the truth? How do you know the truth if it is not investigated? Has a full investigation been done? How do you know? Will their blood not cry up from the dust against us if we do not do our part?

Why are people afraid to consider possibilities, look into them, and find if they are true or not? Is that not what Joseph Smith did and we are all asked to do? Is that not learning, discovery? I for one would like to see a refutation written that is at the same level of science that Jones’s paper is at. So far I have not been able to find one. Maybe one will come out soon. In the mean time I know some physics, chemistry etc.. I’m lookin into this a bit myself. That’s what the bibliography is for.

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